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Should I Migrate To Canada Or Continue With My Job?

Hello All,

I am a man of 42years with 3 kids. I am currently working with Nigerian biggest Gas company as a contract staff and

on monthly salary of around 300K/month. There is no chance of being converted to staff position, but there is job

security and pension contribution by employer.

Before I got the job five years ago, i started this Canadian immigration process. I have  lost interest in the whole

process then all of sudden they said my visa is ready.

I have some other investments in Nigeria.

Should I abandon all these and migrate to Canada to start afresh?

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Migrating to canada, does it make things better? No

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This is a Million- Naira/Dollar Matter, @ Poster; Thank God u have an Amazing Profession here in Nigeria and coupled with that God has Bless u with Canadian visa travel opportunity, with your Family. Well, u can Strike the Gold by sending your Family over to Canada, get them settled, stay back in Nigeria and work for some more time ( but travel occasionally to see them) when your instincts tells you it is Time to Join them, Move. ( under 2 conditions; 1. That u can get an equal or adequately same type of work offer in Canada. 2.If the Canadian visa process has a limitation, that can say when you need to leave Nigeria for Canada, or the status of the visa process/your Family condition. of course you know, that without Father positions the kids might start misbehaving.

Wish You Luck Sir.

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OP is now in Canada

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-570972.0.html#msg7368582

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Life itself is confusion.

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People talk of bills as if someone is forcing them? Bills are what they are. They are meant to be paid no matter how inconvenient.

You pay water, gas, electricity bills etc. . .it is the norm. These are services you used, so pay for them.

I think most folks are maybe spoilt in Nigeria because people hardly pay their bills but do you care to look at how this is affecting the standard of living?

Would you not rather pay your bills for services used rather than paying bills for something you rarely enjoy (NEPA)?

Don't you pay house rent in Nigeria - Agreed the prices maybe higher but what about the comfort and security? And when you say mortgage, it means you sort of "own" a house. You are living good but you must always remember that there are responsibilities that comes with it (the mortgage).

Life itself is a battle but we all can only pray to make the right choices.

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I see most of the discouragement arises because of the poster's age.

To be honest, I was alarmed myself !!!! I thought only a hopeless person at that age (with a family) would consider the immigration.

How about if the poster were 30 years old and single, and with the job ?

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@fadewoyin, wat u have demostrated about Canada is wat happens in all developed countries and trust me, having traveled alot, Canada is da best

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I will not advise you to come and stay, I am in Canada trust me it's not the best.

I will suggest you come and get your citizenship and then decide for yourself.

Lots of people relocate back because the system is not the best

Get ready to use all your pay for rents or mortgage and be ready for lots of bills

Apart from those expenses, if you want to live a better live be ready to pay high insurance for your car.

Infact, life is not the same over here o, it's a bit depressing if you have to use all your money to pay bills and co

I will not discourage you but if you have good money, you can enjoy it here

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Take your children there, secure thier future, let them study there. You may come back nd continue with your job for sometime. Dont rush though.

Congrats!

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Bros me

How have you gone with this process?

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bros, congratulations on your visa granting.pls can you inform me on the steps you took in getting it.i will be blessed by you if you do that for me.my email is femolante@yahoo.com.i believe you arent free to make that decision now on your own.call your wife and discus it, then pray about it.; Gods will is the best.

thanks

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aND EHM IN CASE I FORGET

All those ignorant people talking bout high quality education ps do urself afavor and go to www. notcanada.com,

what is quality about high quality education that cannot get you a high quality job like he has now? high quality education that has left millions of doctors and phd holderrs stranded in canada as cab drivers and security people.

ps if you have not lived abroad before be careful bout the kind of advice given, i emphasize the fact that going abroad should never NEVER be at the expense of a well paying decent professional job in Nigeria,

He that has ears let him heed the advice of they that have gone before him.

thank you

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Hey Man,

I had to go to my old mails and search for my password, just so i can give u this advice, i barely have time for this stuff, y because i am in the so called abroad, where to find time to do any thing part from work is a luxury. I live in the UK , and i and my husbands daily prayer is for him to get a job like urs in naija so we can relocate,

you are talking bout relocating with four kids, how old are they ? do u think your wife and u can cop with bringing up kids abroad, do u know the cost of childcare, nannies and childminders,

have you ever seen a 10 year old boy smoke and do drugs or a twelve or thirteen year old single mum?

ps the only advice i have for u is think carefully, u can never eat ur cake and have it,

u earn 300 000 its ur money: minimal tax , and bills, u can eat decent meals, in the UK, yam is about 1500 naira per tuber,

so its not rosy here.

Buy land build a good house with space and enjoy your life, pray to God to protect u from armed robbers and kidnapping, its home, whatever you find in ur home its ur home. every blessed day is agift from God, die anyday happily knowing you spent your life enjoying the company of ur wife, kids and kinsmen, not in some God forsaken strange land looking at stiff lipped white people that feel you are cramping their space.

So ps that your job if you dont want when you want to leave ps send me a mail so i dont mind managing it to leave here and move to naija for my husband to do the job, thank you.

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@ poster

I think deltaM has provided the best suggestion, getting ur kids candaian citizenship wil mean they cant travel nywhere in the world in the future without visa wahala, and hence get access to high quality education

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Forget about it, at your age, and the family responsibilities you have. It won't be worth it.

If there is a way you can eat your cake and have it, by all means. But don't burn your bridges. Canada isn't as immigrant-friendly these days.

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My advice, please stay in Nigeria where you living ok are most especially you have a great job. Although I don't live in Canada, while I stay in the U.S., their immigration policy are almost same thing. Its a struggle all over again which @ 42 with 3 kids, its really not worth it. Like I said I don't live in Canada, comparing their policy to U.S, for you to have that great job, you must obtain work authorization, then a resident permit. The cost and standard of living for a non-immigrant, can be very expensive. Should you decide, make some comparisons and then weight your options.

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all these ppl saying canada is bad, dont come, why r u ppl still dere sef?

the man said he will bring his family and stay in Naija and visits which is what peeps do now,

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Dollarama & Ifele,

You guys have done wonderfully. Those when e get ear make them hear. I belong to a tribe that doesnt have much respect for personal advise because we believe that if someone takes your advice its his decision or his will or his advice that has prevailed.It took me a while to understand this logic.

Anyway, like someone said immigration/relocation is not for everybody. Canada is no heaven. If you have sth good going for you in Nigeria do not throw it away so you do not regret it later.

The odds against you as a struggling Nigerian in Canada is waaaay too high.You wont go very far. Do your struggling here (unless if there is no hope whatsoever), make it big time and go and invest a lump sum (deciding amount varies from one western country to the other but maybe as high as 2 mil CAD) and walk away with their citizenship without any of those restrictions. That is my own kind of immigration.

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@ Obeledu

PLEASE DONT COME TO CANADA. ITS NOT WORTH IT. YU HAVE A CAREER IN NIGERIA YU ARE WELL PAID YU HAVE INVESTMENTS. YU HAVE YUR OWN HOME. IF YU COME HERE YU GONNA HAVE TO APPLY FOR A MORTGAGE TO BUY A HOME.

Thats debt number 1. debt number 2 automobile debt. THERE IS NOTHING COOL ABOUT CANADA IN FACT IT IS VERY COLD.

YOU CAN RELAX ON A SANDY BEACH IN SOUTHERN Nigeria for FREE. In canada you will need a vacation package for Puerto Plata. CANADA is for the absolutely hopeless but you have hope. Everything is more expensive AND THERE is no peace of mind.

Do yu want to be relegated to survival jobs by foreigners who believe that nasty jobs is what yu deserve becos yur black. There is no freedom in Canada. There is no protection for yur culture. IF YU KEEP YUR CULTURE THEY HAVE WAYS OF PUNISHING YU FOR IT. Please bros dont come here.

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I have a good advice for you, because I have been there. whether u should go or not depend on what u take as your priority in life; when I want to live Niger about some years back I look at as a better way to make life better for my family only, as at today we are all American citizen, we can afford to live anywhere in Niger, but did we loose anything yes . It will take u at least five years for you to know where you are going in Canada. Don’t ever think you will leave your wife behind. That is the worst thing u can do, because some of Niger we try anything. come back to my point that I first said, if you really want to make difference in your family life and you are ready to spend about five yea before u start see the result then you can do it, but if you are going with ordinary visa it will take u at least ten years to get yourself together, bcs all those education u have in Niger will not be useful, its like u have to start all offer again. As per me I think it’s too late for someone to go abroad and stay after 40yr, I may be wrong. But there is no price too much to pay to establish good life for your family. Hopefully this will help.

Have a nice day

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To everyone that responded to my contribution, no comments!  But note that I did not say I was not successful here.  I will probably be among the most successful immigrants in Canada (looking at date of arrival) if you consider who I am today and what I was or had in my pockets when I arrived.  But remember that many waters have passed under the bridge.  My hope was that things would be easier for the poster when he arrives, the reason for my unsolicited advice.

Meaning of starting below zero level:  when you leave a society where you were born and grew up, you leave your established position.  Ask a tree whether grafting is a smooth process!

Many Nigerians think Canada will roll out the red carpet for you on arrival.  Yes, that will actually happen on the day you get here.  After that, you're on your own!

I wish the poster the very best.  Welcome to Canada, and make sure you enjoy the land!

Thank you all.

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@ dollarama,

dat was rather scary, you dont base pple's fate on ur personal experience, ur spirits and destiny differ,

erm,

well, wat can i say? loads of advise, good, bad and ugly, all made sense tho, dnt fink you need any more advise than wot you already have on this thread.

Personal advise,

discover urself and follow what flows with your life plan, God has been good to me since i left Nigeria

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Debosky,

Thank you for your response. I was initially caught in between ignoring or responding to the negative and extreme comment that life starts at below zero level as a new comer.

As I mentioned in my initial response to the question of this thread( and again not to sound blunt or arrogant), living overseas is not for everybody. The most important thing is to be at the place God has destined for you, as that will be the place of your flourishing. As such, some will have a positive experience ( and there are SEVERAL as you have mentioned) and some negative. Again the choice is left to each individual for in matters like this, the best counsel one can have is that given by God and that means really getting alone with Him to lead one aright.

To share a bit of my experience; when I first arrived with my family 5 years ago, some of the Nigerian folks that have been here longer had all sorts to say; "Oh, the cold kills o! yeh there are no jobs except as security o!", just all sorts of negative stories. My usual response to them was that if God is on your side, then He will make a way for you and prosper you. So recently, when my wife and I out of just retelling those stories as a testimony of God's faithfulness in our lives, it occurred to us that some of this people that had all sorts to say back then have not even visited Nigeria for once and yet for example the cold can kill! Some of them during the Oil boom here in Alberta even moved up north to places like Fort McMurray which is much colder than it is in Calgary to secure lucrative jobs with Oil companies and all of a sudden, the cold no longer kills! One thing I have learnt is that if one is basing life's decision on what people have to say, then one is not yet ready to move to the next level.

Again if comments such as this was true for everybody, then probably an Obama story won't have been possible in our life time! Life whether as an immigrant or even back in your own country has its challenges and as Bishop Benson Idahosa always said, " If you are lizard in Lagos, then don't expect to be a crocodile in London".

The summary of all of this is that each individual's mindset has a greater part to play in what the outcome will be. Your attitude determines your altitiude!

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@ Dollarman

Your experience may have been sad, but I disagree. My life (and those of many others I know) did not start at below zero level. Many, Many people I know have made it in Canada and are flourishing - even expanding into other countries with their Canadian based companies.

A bitter experience should not be the only basis, but serves as a useful counterbalance.

I'm sure you're trying to shock the man into rationally considering his options, but you have overdone it a bit. Life as an immigrant will have it's difficulties, but with determination and focus, I have seen many people surmount those difficulties and even CELEBRATED as espousing the true Canadian spirit. The choice is yours.

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Hey broda,

I don't know whether to congratulate you or not on getting the permanent residency visa to Canada.  Yes, this may sound weird, especially when it comes from someone who moved here almost 8 years ago.  The normal Nigerian reaction is to say I'm selfish, like so many people have told me!  But I have my points and if I could do it again, I would act differently.  Here we go:

1.  Contrary to what most Nigerians believe, immigration is a retrogressive step.  Your life is starting below zero level.  Whatever you were in Nigeria ends at the Murtala Mohammed airport.

2.  Remember that some people were born here, their great great great grandfathers were born here.  They have been established over generations and they hold the advantage here.  The bad part is that they believe their god is bringing you here so that you could serve them.  They will always be unhappy to see you progress and as such will do everything to prevent it, except you agree to be their slaves. 

3.  The only advantage you have is that you are a Nigerian and you have the ability to survive and flourish anywhere, like a stubborn weed!  If this issue is just about you and you alone, there is no fear, you will be fine.

4.  Many people will tell you to come here for the sake of your children.  My advice is different; for the sake of your children, please don't come here!  While you are hustling to settle down, your children will be growing and will be taught by a society that believes everything that is completely opposite what you believe.  Before you know what is going on, you will realize you don't know your children anymore!  Most of the young men I have seen succeed here finished high school in Nigeria before moving to Canada.  Nigerian high schools may not have all the gadgets and funding schools have here but the hunger for excellence and the never-say-die attitude of the average Nigerian is usually learned by the time you are 16.

5.  It is not true that education is cheaper in Canada than Nigeria, may be high school. 

6. My sincere advice: Look for what business you can do in Nigeria (even the gas thing is okay if you listen to what I have to say after this line).  Then come to Canada with your family and land (don't fall into the trap of landing without your family).  Register a Canadian company that will carry out that your business in Nigeria (well, remember that a Canadian company will pay Canadian taxes; you've started serving your term!).  You can then send me a pm on what your next steps would be.  You will surely win on both sides. 

Note:  I am not a 419 or anything.  I am a Nigerian.  I have never contributed to this site.  I saw your question and thought a few words could be useful in your situation.   I wished someone said something to me 9 years ago!

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Good to know you decided to stay back. However, you should be aware you can't stay out of Canada for up to 6months stretch within your two years (from my understanding).

Further, the website mentioned on the previous page is being run by an anti immigration racist body. Don't take them to serious. Like every other western country, coming from Africa, its easier to get jobs if you school in their country, or if you have previous work experience in a recognised multinational. Other than that, security guarding becomes an option.

Finally, beleive me, your better off with a god job in Nigeria than with a good job out here. I dont know how you live in Nigeria, but here, theres no one to send: your cleaning your toilets, washing your clothes, washing your car, going to market etc, whiel the govt collects half your income on taxes.

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Hi, having gone through a similar experience in the past, this is a subject that I am very passionate about and that is the reason I am always quick to share my own success story.

As mentioned in my full response as contained in the document attached, it is important your plans are aligned to God's leading for your life.

I have found this article about immigrating to the Oil and Gas province of Alberta to be very helpful http://alis.alberta.ca/pdf/cshop/welcometoalberta.pdf . It is one article I would have loved to read when I was at the very stage you are in as it is a true reflection of what life may be for most new comers.

As we are both in the IT industry you can send me an email aeliezer@eliezerconsulting.ca if you eventually choose to take that giant leap and you need assistance in terms of career and job situation.

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@Poster,

Good decision,at least for the sake of your children.It will be hard though but i guess its the only way out.It would give your children the opportunity you never had as a child.I know it will be hard on your family being apart for a while.I have a family friend who is a bank manager and whose family won the american visa lottery.I know how hard it was for the young man to convince his wife of 2yrs to leave with his 1yr plus old daugther and 6months baby to the United states because he felt (and i think so too) that it would be silly of him to leave his fast growing career back home in Nigeria to move over to the states because of American citizenship.

The most important thing is that with his wife and daughters there they would get permanent residency there and expand the options available to his Kids as they grow up.At least he can visit the states whenever he wants to;he is not crazy about attaining the citizenship,he is concerned about the future of his children!

Your reason for applying for the visa 5yrs ago may not be valid now because so much has happened within that period.In all,since you have a good paying job,u will be able to take care of your family while your wife looks for something to do.It may only be a very hard decision if your wife has a good job too.

In all,seek the face of God,talk with your wife and do whatever you feel is best for your family!

Congratulations!

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@shubbi

Dont even start another drama saying that leads to another question or so, pls dont turn the forum to Nnkan mbe (strange but true) we dont have kolawole olawuyi in house

No offence @shubbi am kidding

@poster Goodluck

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Good decision but that leads to another issue. Are all the children over 18? Who will take care of them in canada? If its your wife then no problem because you cann't do Home Alone in canada or any oyinbo country. There are strict laws for child abuse. I would could have run back to naija if not for my kids.

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If it's very much hopeful for you, u can go ahead. In case of any assistance on the processing to make it real, am up to it. Kindly mail me or call. It is well.

seunmen2009@yahoo.com

+2348033418019

Keep ur head up

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Hello All,

I thanks all that contributed, I would have made a grave mistake if not for the advice I received on this forum. Also I

have gathered a lot of information different from those you read on internet.

I thank the owner of the site SEUN, only that sometimes I wonder how he will continue to sustain the site since

everything is free.

Like most people advised, the children will go while i stays in Niaja.

I love Niaja with its abundant problems, but it is a free country. Nigeria is a place where you enjoy your freedom

with small cash.

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Hi am in canada presently with my family. what i will tell u is that do not leave ur job, come and land with ur family and make sure u do not stay out of canada in a 6months period. it is really not easy but what i will advise is to leave ur family here because u get ur canadian citizenship if u r physically here 3yrs after u land. so fo the sake of the kids let them be here with ur wife and u can come once in 3months to check on ttem, the only thing is that they will definetly qualify for canadian citizenship faster than u.my husband read geology from nigeria and came here to study petroleum engineering but things are a bit slow cause of the recession issue but will definitely pick up. or u can arrange wtih ur company so that u will be an expatriate and u pay ur taxes here in canada.wish u good luck. canada is a beautiful place to live and for the kids education but the weather is something else in winter. if u need an other advise u can mail me funke1968@hotmail.com then my husband can advise u more. goodluck

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A Bird At Hand Is Worth More Than One Million Birds In The Forest. . . . .

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@poster

Am short of words, its a turning point but no matter what make sure u have some one who can die for you there, get that word right die. reason being that nobody has time for anybody,am not trying to scare you but its the reality.

No matter what u gonna start afresh be who u, but its going to be easier when u have someone who will be there for u while u trying to adjust to the system, as a professional u can get a job provided u can be on the road at all time which is not pretty good for someone who is new

All the best

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Start doing job searches to see if there are any positions requiring your skills.

Whichever decision you take is not going to be easy and will call for some level of deep thought and sacrifice.

The best way is to make it a gradual process - do not suddenly pull up your roots and move to Canada. Go and evaluate your options over there on leave and decide for yourself. I know people who have gotten everything they hoped for and even more in a few years while others struggle and regret their decisions. I wish you the best in making your decision.

I disagree - it is renewable residency INITIALLY. If he spends three years there, he can apply for citizenship and decide to move back to Nigeria if he wants to. That is why he needs to consider ALL the possibilities before making a decision. Spending three years away from these 'friends and family' need not be regarded as throwing away your advantages in Nigeria, you just need to be very clear as to what your planned line of action is.

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Thanks Kogilomo,

To answer some of your questions, I started the migration process when the former company i was working with was about going under.

I studied Electrical/Electronics Engineering.

I had MCSE(2000) and CCNA, but they had all expired.

Presently I am more into Cable Structuring/telecom

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@OP

This gentleman obviously has everything going for him without knowing it- great job with good pay, reasonable job security with pension, investment etc. And wait for it- he is 42 with kids.

Its unthinkable anyone would like to risk these for a chance to be a second class citizen in a cold distant land removed from the midst of childhood friends and family. Whatever advantage Canada offers you can reasonably procure.It will be foolhardy to throw all these away for a renewable residency. Utter nonsense.

They say its not in your old age that you begin to learn how to use your left hand.People who usually find themselves in this dilenma are those educated and comfortable enough to be beckoned on but who have not been exposed or experienced first-hand the gbrii gbrii life in these countries.

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Thats sucks, but then count ur self lucky to have people like kogilomo.

endeavour to answer those questions. u should be be good to go

above its going to be a tough challenges

i can give u a headsup about the oil related jobs and career

Good luck

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He said he has some job security though.

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Mr fully Baked LOL.

Lets hope you dont get over baked or burnt out too soon. I dont like people who dismiss people too quick.

This is just a forum board. He is entitled to his opinions. Besides this is not a TOEFL board!

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I think you should stay in Nigeria.

This recession has made it difficult for new immigrants to settle and get jobs that used to be available. Nigeria is a hard place to live in. I come home to Nigeria every year. There is opportunity outside Nigeria but remember, that opportunity is intangible and not guaranteed. It does not work out for everybody. You are 42, with three kids. Its a big decision for you to swtch jobs and pluck your kids out of school. ?"If you make the move you are only doing it for your kids to get them a good education and great opportunity, not for yourself. So if you want to make that sacrifice for the kids then do it.

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@ poster,

Delta007's comment is very good; you shouldn't use just an idea from anywhere. Immigration decision is not a low level one.

Go and land first even if its for 1 week, come back with the family and do proper planning. Take your time, don't rush. You can stay in naija for another 2 years before taking your decision.

Forget about the recession, jobs are still there depending on your qualification and experience.

One more thing, you should put Calgary on your radar ASAP.

All the best!

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BOLLER AND DELTA007 HAS SAID IT ALL,

GUY DO NOT MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY, IF NOT FOR URSELF, DO IT FOR UR CHILDREN AND GIVE THEM A SHOT IN LIFE .

U CAN RENEW UR PR EVERY 5 YRS!!

SINCE U R IN THE OIL AND GAS SECTOR U WILL DEFINITELY GET OIL AND GAS JOBS IN ALBERTA,NOVA SCOTIA OR NEW FOUNDLAND!, THERE R LOTS AND LOTS OF OIL AND GAS JOBS THERE, JUST GET UR CREDENTIALS CERTIFIED AND THE REST IS HISTORY, OR BETTER STILL U CAN HAVE A CHANGE OF CAREER LIKE BE A CONSULTANT IN SAP, THE THING IS CANADA'S EDUCATION SYSTEM IS RATED ONE OF THE BEST SO IT,S A GOOD PLACE TO DEVELOP URSELF AND THAT OF UR KIDS,

AND THE BEST OF IT IS THAT IT GIVES U DUAL CITIZENSHIP AND ACCESS TO OTHER COUNTRIES .

SO GO AHEAD AND MOVE AFTERALL U HAD TO WAIT FOR 5 YEARS!!!!, ITS because OF THAT WAIT THAT I DROP THE IDEA OF APPLYING 5 YRS AGO!!, SO ITS VERY REFRESHING TO KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING IT, CONGRATS!!!

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@ Poster,

I quite appreciate your confusion/worries. To deal with this issue, you need to make rational decision based on facts. I would suggest you put your facts together by asking yourself the following questions:

1. Why did you apply for the Canadian Immigration visa in the first instance i.e what was your reason/goal/ objective? Has the reason/goal/objective changed? Reassessing the original plan may help you refocus on the goal you set for yourself. Different people have different reasons for migrating

2. What professional qualification and work experience do you have? Are they global qualification that can be used anywhere in the world? Have you searched Canadian job/recruitment websites (e.g monster.ca) to see if there are vacancies that match your qualification?

3. I strongly suggest you ask somebody who is based in Canada for his view about opportunities (especially in Alberta where most of the oil companies are based), cost of living, etc. Finding out about the cost of living will help you determine the range of monthly/salary you should be looking at.

4. With regards to your pension plan, is it not possible to continue to contribute to the pension even if you are out of country? You will need to confirm this with your pension administrator.

You currently earn a reasonable salary in Lagos (N300,000K /month is about 2,400CAD and about 29,000CAD/PA). Would it be that difficult to get a job in Canada that will pay you the same or more? Questions 2 and 3 above will help confirm that.

As some others have advised, I will suggest you take vacation from your work and “Land” in Canada with your family in order to collect your PR card. I also advise that you start looking for job NOW while you are in Lagos so that when you go to Land, you may have some interviews lined up.

Finally, I suggest that you should not liquidate your investments in Nigeria YET until you have landed in Canada and see things for yourself (am assuming you can raise enough cash for flight tickets and temporary accommodation). Wish you the very best in your decision.

cheers

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By the way, the advice I gave you is what I did. Applied in 2001/2002 and landed late 2007 (got the visa late 2007 with medical expiring Jan 2008).

All the best!

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And with this analytical level, he would wonder why he is unemployable.

I know I shouldn't be saying this but I can't resist. I apologise in advance for what I am about to say.

But with this level of English, there is no future for you here as well.

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@sagamite

Haba! yes, his english is in trouble but that "theres no future for him here" is a lil' bit harsh.

But then i think u mean for him to work on and improve that area of his life.

@poster

u av heard it all. me thinks you should take advantage of the best that both worlds (countries) have to offer. u can continue working/biz here while u settle ur family in gradually. pls make sure madam will av smthing self-fulfilling to do there o.

All da best

and oh

congrats!

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for your own good dont go anywhere

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Thanks Debosky,

Boller,

These five guy that left from your department are they married, because a lot come into play when you have family.

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