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Why Should NNPC And LNG Discriminate Between 2-1 And 2-2?

Last year when NNPC brought out their advert they requested for 2:1. how will nigeria change if a nigerian parastatal, even a federal government owned enterprise be asking for only 2:1 and above.

Yet they will be saying they are trying to fight unemployement.

Its so sad to hear this.

all LNG adverts request for 2:1 and above both for uni. and ploy.

except LNG is now private what they are doing is very wrong.

the government should look into it.

Its not fair at all.

Those who are there how many of them came out with 2:1 even 3rd class.

A friend told me a lot of federal parastatals request for 2:1 can u imagine.

its bad.

Pls nairlander lets all arise and fight this menace that is already rearing its ugly head like our Pre******T.

whats ur view guys.

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Did Wole Soyinka and Gani seek to get jobs in NLNG and NNPC through graduate entry level jobs? NO - they distinguished themselves outside of the 'normal' career route - their outstanding and original contributions - Soyinka with his writing and Nobel Prize recognition, Gani through his determination and innovation in producing the periodic law reports.

They didn't get where they are by competing for entry level graduate jobs with the 'masses' - it was through their hard work and intellect that this was achieved - if you get a third class or pass in this day and age, you will need to pursue a similar path.

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If a person is truly that 'intellectual' then the value will be realised elsewhere, not through graduate employment.

As far as I know, there is no ban on being recruited into experienced positions on the basis of having less than a 2-1 so ig youc an manage and distinguish yourself in some other way and prove your intellect then you'll get your shot. Make no mistakes about it, you will have many things against you and will need to work extra hard.

If we are ever to have some sense of meritocracy in Nigeria, there must be some bias towards high achievement. Yes not all 2/1 degrees are merited, but they are not more prone to flaws than the 2/2 and 3rd class degrees, so the best out of an imperfect bunch must still be selected.

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I could not have put it better.

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i wonder what would have become of albert einstein in nigeria of today. this guy came out with a pass in the polytechnic, but today is refered as the greatest scientist of all time. micheal faraday was learnning a pry 2 mathematics in his early 20s but i was studing his theorems and laws in the university. thats why we will never grow. we place so much values at cert. rather than intellects. this gave the lecturals oppurtunity to sell marks for money and bed. well, lets see how our cert. will take us to the promised land 2020.

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It's difficult, unreasonable in fact, to say that companies should not discriminate. They know what they want. They can't go with the 'grades don't matter' mantra, and interview the whole world at a ridiculous logistics cost. It's impracticable in fact.

To add to that, it's not restricted to Nigeria alone. Many of the top global 100 ask for above average students, exceptional students in most cases. Some schools won't even admit people that did not make a particular grade at undergrad into their postgraduate school.

For the 2.2 and 3rd class guys of today, things are not going to be easy oh! I made a 2.2, primarily because I found university and academic work incredibly boring. Still have no regrets, in any case. But trust me, it was not easy when I had to look for a job. Far from it. You can always dig into my previous posts, especially those on the electrical engineering thread to understand what I mean. Unless you have some kind of ace up your sleeve, don't try yourself o, especially if you are in this naija. Your neck go long no be small.

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I hear your view but the bold is wrong. I know this guy and he didnt grad from London Uni but Nottingham Uni. He himself will not find it funny if you ply falsehoods about him. Yes he got his PhD at age 22 and is now a well paid employee of a IOC.

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Its not worth replying every who speaks. Any one can claim to have a 2 1 or first class. That chevroiu guy claims he knows something. in Nigeria school today, Anyone can buy grades. While those who dont compromise are purnshed for it. this country lacks integrity. An average student in Nigeria is a genius abroad. Just think about it

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I graduated from Uniben in 2003 and i really can't think or anybody in my class who got their 2.1s by paying for it or sleeping with a lecturer. My set churned out 5 1st class, 32 2.1s and about 80 2.2s. Some other unfortunates obtained 3rd class and pass degrees.

Most of these people got what they deserved. i've seen many brilliant people get 2.2s, most of them didnt take schoolwork seriously. and most of them accept it! if you've been having good grades, one or two lecturers scoring you low wont sink you, so please y'all should stop talking about victimisation.

measures exist to contest and combat genuine cases of victimisation. i admit it's a rocky path to follow, but if you didnt have the balls to fight it then, why prattle about it when it's too late?

at least 90% of those who got good grades got 'em the decent way, so only an will come here trying to besmirch the industry of such diligent students.

Every fricking person here knew how the labour market was when he entered school, it isn't a new thing. We all knew that there was preferential treatment for those with 2.1s and 1st class. We all knew the industry out there uses our grades as benchmarks for empoyment considerations. So it smacks of serious foolishness to cast about for someone else but yourself to blame.

Many of my pals with 2.2s are doing masters now, or have finished. Why not try and apply yourself to self-improvement instead of trying to vilify employers who are only doing what you were warned/what you knew they'd do?

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yep. the alternative was what a lot of us did while in school. Studied rather than playing around only to call a pity party now that you are reaping the fruits of your laziness.

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U must not work 4 LNG or NNPC. Listen, the more one qualifies for a job and does not get it the more the frustration. Not all 2.1 candidates have job.

The reason why they look for 2.1 is that they want people who will make it either by crook or by hook.

If u have 2.2 then u are not in that category. LNG wants people who will achieve results by working 4 it or by paying for it. U did not want to pay while in school but there wass alternative.

Funny enough, I do not have 2.1 or first class but I trust that I must make it without working for LNG. So get that idea off ur mind and forge ahead.

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1. Stop using the word "discriminating", it is wrong, false and mischievious.

2. If grades are not the yardstick for performance then what is and of what relevance are they?

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I am excited to see evryone contribute with so much passion and I must admit everyone has contributed well.Please let's not cricify the guy who taught some people made a 2-1 playing when they should be reading; it's his opinion. Truth is, everyone should be given a fair opportunity.It is saddening to think of the wonderful talents and potentials that many organisations would have lost just for descriminating against holders of 2-1 degrees.Grades are important though, but it's not supposed to be the yardstick for performance!

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With the exception of those that got their 2.1 degrees through a questonable means and the ones that got a 2.2 as a result of victimization (or other unforseen circumstances), the reaasonable concluson is the 2.1 graduates are either academically better than the 2.2 graduates or they were more diligent in their studies. I really dont blame the companies as they reserve the right to use any screening method they deem fit. This has absolutely nothing to do discrimination. There comes reward with hardwork and diligence. I think it is very myopic and shallow to give excuses for failure. Keep your head up and try. As the old nigerian saying goes: "The downfall or setback of a man is not the end of his life".

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To All,

It is unfortunate that some people do get there degrees in Nigeria through dibious means.

I stopped blaming anybody for such a discrimination when I happened to be on a recruitment panel for an organization I once worked with.

Could you beleive that for 10 positions in Nigeria and a little advertisement, you will get nothing less that 20,000 responses.

What will you do if you happened to be on such a panel? The law of demand and supply as related to price comes to play! "With a very high demand and fixed supply, the prices go up". You will use the fastest means to reduce the number by increasing the requirement(or cut off point)!!

That was what was happening for most recruitment. especially in most highly competitive companies.

As one of us said, look around for good openings with 2-2 and go for it OR for some favoured few, show that you are good enough and are made of quality stuff or even better that those with 2-1.

As another said again, go for 2nd degrees, most companies that insisted on 2-1 will consider 2-2 with a Masters, even many oil companies will do.

Cheers!

Always be positive and you will get to the top.

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@ Obeto,

Thank you for sharing, now I know. Thanx

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The university system have a scale of 5 points while polytechnics 4 points.

5-4.5 1st Class

4.49 - 3.5 2:1

3.49 - 2.5 2:2

2.49 - 1.5 ?

1.49 - 0 ?

I am not conversant with the polytechnic grading.

Youngman, you're too loud mouthed for my liking. I can see pride all around you, though i have a feeling you're not even worth your boast. Why not keep your cool and approach this issue maturely. At least everyone is entitled his/her opinion. Must you react to every post. You are getting this thread messy.

Sorry if I've offended you. But that is the truth. Everyone have the right to air his/her view on this issue.

I still stand my ground. If u graduated with 2:2 or lower, just boost it up with a second degree or a "relevant" professional certification.

Another idea is this, try to know your final CGPA and always put it beside your class. I know a 2:2 guy with 3.49/5. No employer will see that on your CV and not give it a try.

I wish everyone in the house success. Just be innovative and creative.

Ciao!!!

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Can anyone please tell me how the Nigerian 2-1, 2-2 and 3-0 grading system compares to the American system of GPAs. I come from an American grading system of GPAs (Grade Point Average) which is based on a maximum of a 4.0 scale. Does anyone know? Please share.

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Soundly right! The Nigeria where the mediocre expects to be rewarded for services not rendered, expects to get the same rights he does not deserve and glorifies laziness and incompetence with obnoxious excuses.

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I am a new member and this is the first time I'll be giving an opinion . I hope u applied and didn't seriously consider this adverts, because how can u be very sure that only the 2.1's applied. So, even if u don't have the cut off mark u can still try and maybe u'll get it. After all this is Nigeria.

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I agree. pls ignore them jore.

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@ Davidlyan,

I'll advise you to stop replying to some of these posters who have insisted on behaving like Ostriches. I wont name names but some of the arguments I've seen on this post are not only ridiculous but show why some people got what exactly what they deserved. With the way those minds are working, I can't really see any employer of labour offering them jobs even if they pass the tests 'cos their folly will be exposed during the interview sessions.

Yuck some people just argue for arguing sake without thinking.

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stop being sentimental here. Do you know the number of 1st class and 2.1 holders who hold their heads in shame anytime incompetent students accuse them of having bought their degrees? do you know how bad we feel when we are constantly told to go "create jobs" rather than competing in the labour market for opportunities?

If a grade is not a parameter of success at least it is a parameter of the level of commitment such an individual.

wisdom is not measured by how well you sugar-coat words just to boost the ego of those who chose to go philandering and clubbing when their mates were studying.

Thanks for your prayers but i would advise you focus it on yourself, you might need it when next you apply for another job!

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when i read the comment a guy gave about the unseriousness of those having 22,i felt bad. not bcs of the fact u put into writing but the way u degraded and embarassed him infront of nigerians.so wots ur grade 21 abi?do u knowthe number of pple u av hummiliated with ur uruncensored txt?Well God is Just and i op the guy will get a good job.remember grade is not a parameter tosuccess.How i wish u are wise cos alot of pple might av cursed u for ur silly comments.Please appologise and stop being pompouscos it leads to vanity.I send you prayrs

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There is a difference between oppinions not being in harmony and oppinions that are absurd to say the least. Yours unfortunately fall in the later category. Please grow up, where are the "insults" in my last post?

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@DAVIDYLAN

I have been following and reading most of your posts on nairaland; whenever someone's opinion is not in harmony with yours it results into intense insults and calling of names. Please lets behave like matured people. There are better ways of making me agree with your opinions or views but not through calling of names and insults. Please, i beg you in God's name desist from calling people names simply because he/she does not agree with your personal views; after all, all of us cannot have the same view on a particular issue.

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Of course i'll be going to "start up something" to employ inefficient, lazy and incompetent degree holders.

The nonsense you just typed above is reverse discrimination! Are 1st class and 2.1 students now captives of their degrees that they are now reduced to only 2 options:

- Lecturing

- setting up something with the motive of employing the dregs of the educational system

and while we are busy "job creating" those who do not merit it are busy taking up lucrative positions in oil companies and banks? You dear are a prime example of lopsided reasoning. Keep stewing in your ignorance and reverse psychology.

That is utter nonsense! Why have foreign universities not proscribed exams if they also believe in your absurd reasoning? If exams are not a true test of knowledge then what is?

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1st class and 2.1 graduates should be job creators and not job seekers. Let them create jobs and employ people with  2.2, 3rd class and pass Degrees; or alternatively let then go and lecture in the university and be doing their masters at the same time. They should stop competing and struggling for positions in existing organizations with people that graduated with lower grades who you people (1st class and 2.1) feel are less creative and innovative. Why not use your 1st class or 2.1 to start up something too??

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1st class and 2:1 does not make you a problem solver in Nigeria's present day bastardised system of education but they highlight possible potentials that if harnessed very well and pushed to the limits of your ability can project you to be a problem solver tomorrow!

If you are good, you have no business scoring a 2:2, 3rd class or pass degree and then adding insult to injury by demanding unmerited opportunities.

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that's like high honors and highest honors (there isn't that much of a difference is there?)

Thanks @debosky

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Read hard, do you best but most importantly be a problem solver. 1st class doesn't make you a problem solver, 2:1 doesn't; if you are good you are good and no one can take it from you.

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its like latin classifications of magna cumlaude, summa cumlaude and cumlaude i.e 1st class, 2/1 (SECOND CLASS UPPER) 2/2 (SECOND CLASS LOWER)

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In the alternative case that you are female, beautiful but unable to raise sufficient funds to purchase a 2-1 or 2-2, you can purchase such in kind from generous members of faculty.

In the unfortunate event that you are male, poor and lazy, there is always ample room to obtain the prestigious 2-2 award while accusing genuine 1st class and 2-1 holders of "buying" their share certificates!

In the event that your 2-2 does not meet standard employment requirements, you are absolutely allowed to head to the law courts to file discrimination charges.

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U folks advocating that 2.1 should not be given preference over 2.2 are not doing yourselves any favor with your mutilation of the English language

I myself had a 2.2 but I do understand why preference will be made for 2.1s

All the energy dissipated on this thread rationalising an absurd proposition should be best put to use working hard

And for goodness sake,some of these guys should be busy retaking JAMB English,instead of asking for an end to a worldwide practice

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This is the most cerebrally absurd statement i have seen on this thread so far. Makes me wonder how some people reason. If every 1st class and 2.1 candidate has to go and "create jobs" for themselves, how many one-man companies would we have in Nigeria in a climate where even multinational companies such as Michelin are being forced to downsize?

So the reward for laziness, incompetence and inefficiency for 2.2, 3rd class and pass degree holders is top oil company jobs, bank jobs and federal govt appointments they do not merit while their hardworking counterparts are busy using their "skills" to "create jobs" for themselves?

Oh wait! Do you mean to say after the 1st class and 2.1 holders have finally created stable jobs, they should reserve employment opportunities for lazy and incompetent half-baked graduates while the fresh "skilled" graduates go about "creating" yet more jobs to employ 3rd class holders?

It is only in this warped mentally unbalanced Nigeria that incompetent idiots excuse their laziness by "expecting" only 2.2 and 3rd class holders to be looking for jobs they do not qualify for!

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But why is that 1st class and 2.1 graduates go about looking for jobs?? can't they use their 1st class and 2.1 skills to create jobs for themselves and others?? I expect only 2.2, 3rd class and pass graduates to be looking for jobs.

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I think is because we are used to seeking employment from them that why they keep bringing different standard,i only we can start thinking of doing something for ourself and keeping us self employed on employer of graduates will be bringing class to degree but what you can offre given everybody a leveled field to perfrom.So guys get started and think of something nice we can do it.

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the above poster is a classical example why clear cut distinctions must be made between the wheat and the tares!

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[left][/left]MAN DATS SUM REAL DISCRIMINATION GOIN ON THERE, DNT 4GT NOT EVERY1 CAN GT 2 1 COS GOIN TO SKUL WUD LUK USELESS 2 2 NO MIN SAY D LAD OR BABA DAFT AFTERALL U WUD STILL DO THEIR TRAINING BIN INTELLIGENT N BIN STREETWISE R 2 DIFFETRENT THINGS

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@ christino

Well youre right. I had a friend who was stuck at 3.49. My beef is with these guys who beef people with good grades.

Not every "bookworm" crams, and there are some people, my humble self included, who can hold their own anywhere.

whether its in the field, or in "theory". Like i said, i thought myself everything i know abt codin/the practical aspect of my stuff.

I even had a job as a web application developer before i went for my masters, so dont generalize and say that guys with 2-1 and above

cant neccessarily handle themselves in the field. That is simply a cliche sprouted by mediocres tryin to justify/console themselves.

And by your post, i can deduce that you arent one (a mediocre). So no stress my guy.

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Really? Can you defend your 2.2 or 3rd class?

Bring it on you!

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@ Wavemasta,

I have about 3 of my guys who stuck by me thru d school days but still ended up with 3.4 smths. They never partied or had a diff life they did their best but luck was just not there. One of them now works with a major company, earning 175k per month and has MCSE, CCNP, so let's cut the crap like everyone who works hard gets a 2-1, it just doesnt always work that way.

Another fact is the foundation. If your 100 level is woeful (which is usually the case due to people trying to settle down, admission procedure, name not coming out on time and stuffs) and depending on the grading system e.g. Uniben, U.I, O.A.U. your subsequent exploits may not improve your chances.

Don't see 2-2's or even 3rd classes as poor people. Academic excellence is basically theoretical, practical, hands-on is something else. I noticed the flaw with bookworms in my labs, they just couldn't hold down the practicals like they cram their books. Guy, being a programmer is a different case entirely.

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I bet u guys know that 2.1 is the yardstick in use now. Even in the Uk where i reside, u cant get a graduate opportunity without having a 2.1 or a 1st!

Employers want the 'best' (mind u best is in quote) be it in the public or private. Moreover i think the public sector need the quality people to grow the ECONOMY! Chikena

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I decided not to comment and all, but after reading some peoples posts i just gotta talk.

Life gives you what you demand, you get out what you put in. When i was in university, i made sacrifices. I wasnt a club boy, and didnt have a girlfriend.

I worked hard and graduated with a strong 2-1 close to a first class. Now im here on a scholarship for my masters.

Im not tryin to blow my own trumpet, but im sick and tired of all those people hating on guys with good grades.

I remember people laughing at me in school, callin me eficco and all, and making fun of my glasses. Now they are the ones

on the streets, suffering. Look, im tired of guys yarning and saying "its all about what you can do" what the hell can you do?

I read computer science and i taught myself to code right from secondary school. Im yet to see any guy with a lesser grade make mouth

around me.

In my final year there was a dude from yabatech feeling cool with himself because he was helpin out some of my classmates.

After having a 5 min conversation with me, he just kept quiet.

There are people with 2-2's who are brilliant and got messed up . I have HND guys who are also my friends, and are also good, but sadly, its a

competitive, canine-eat-canine world out there. No one is interested in excuses, just results.

If an organization decides it wants 2-1, its their buisness. Why should someone who chased women, and partied his life away have the same

opportunity as someone who paid the price? It is this attitude of "something for nothing" thats killing our country today.

F***k it, if the company wants standards, they have EVERY right to insist. It isnt discrimination. You cannot convince me that you have

"skills" if you couldnt muster the discipline to wake up, study, and do your assignments.

This is a topic that im passionate about, so if anyone wants to fight me, BRING IT ON!!!!!

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While noone trusts Nigerian degrees,apart from some Nigerians,they are about the best measure of competence.Hence the classification of degrees into 2-1 and 2-2 e.t.c,remains the one of the most reliable metrics for assesing job applicants.

Here in the Western world,chances are u will be working under someone who does not even have a degree

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@Topic. Probably for the same reason that the universities do in the first place

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Agreed that grades are not a total reflection of abilities. But put yourself in the shoes of an employer. You want to make as much profit as possible. Who would you hire - a 2-1 or a 2-2 if you had the choice?

Sure, some people buy 2-1's but you can't use that to hire a 2:2 over a 2:1. There are way more legit 2-1s

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Haven't we seen 2.2 holder with better job than first class holder.

Nevertheless, this is not an excuse for laziness while in school. Academic achievement is not equivalent to success in life. One sure thing is that wherever you are strive to be the best. As a student work toward graduating with first class.

However, after doing your best, believe God to use whatever you have for your upliftment.

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How pathetic and lame

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All those supporting the discrimination against people with 2.2 and 3rd class simply because they got 1st class or 2.1 are simply those who are afraid to take the same test or exams with those who came out with 2.2 and 3rd class. They know very well that their performance(s) in the test will be poor compared to what people with 2.2 and 3rd class will get. They are doing everything possible to save themselves from disgrace and embarrassment. We know all these things i beg. It's the same thing with HND and Bsc too, the Bsc holders are always afraid to write the same test with HND holders for fear of being disgraced. Thatz why i love ICAN; it is show your skills and not show your class of Degree or HND, and the HND guys have been doing better or showing their skills there. Some Bsc holders with 1st class and 2.1 have been writing ICAN exams for the past 6 years and have not been able to qualify; some of them have even given up!! while most HND guys clear the exams within 2 years.

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Thank You david!!!!

Work hard, don't base your life on exceptions because thats exactly what they are. . . . . exceptions

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