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Why This Discrimination Between B.Sc & HND?

Why these discriminations between B.Sc and HND degrees holders?

This thing has been going on for a long time, that I thought by now our policy makers in this country would have taken steps to correct it. There are some companies that wouldn't employ an HND holder at all, while those that employs put them on a lower rank below their B.Sc counterparts of the same experience.

Recently, a friend of mine wanted to go for an MBA in one the nation's universities, but she was asked to do a Post-Graduate Diploma (PGD) first before she can apply for the MBA, because she is an HND holder.

It takes four years in the Polytechnic to acquire an HND degree, apart from years of work experience in-between. It also takes four years to acquire a B.Sc degree in a Nigerian university, except for Engineering and Medical courses.

The question is, do you think a B.Sc. degree and HND are equal? Do you think they should be treated equally, and why?

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Some of it is conditioned by the amount of education and knowledge you get in your school. Some programs are just 2 year courses and naturally people get less education with their degree. While others spend 4+ years in the higher school and get more knowledge and skills. Still if you cannot afford the more expensive option getting any amount of education is good for you. The studies show that even 1 additional year of education can better your life and boost your chances for success. And do not forget about the self-education. This is a powerful tool and it is more than affordable. So, you can carry on your studies and improve your skills.

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The root of discrimination between the two degrees is in the government itself. It does not set proper standards for educational institutions and does not properly control the quality of education. Many community members and politicians vote for canceling the HND, so that people would not have to waste their time and money on something that would not let them get a good employment or the next promotion at their jobs. Until this issue gets resolved on the state level, the discrimination would continue. Still people are responsible for their own choices and should choose wisely and knowledgeably.

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Discrimination continued

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Federal University of Petroleum Resource Effurun

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The Federal University of Petroleum Resource Effurun (FUPRE) in Delta State, Nigeria was established and approved by the Federal Executive Council meeting of 14 March, 2007 and admitted its first set of undergraduates in 2008.

The university was established under the Federal Government of Nigeria initiative to build a specialized university in the Niger Delta to produce manpower and expertise for the oil and gas sector in Nigeria and worldwide.

The University operates a collegiate system.

The National Universities Commission(NUC) approved sharing of facilities between the Petroleum Training Institute Effurun and FUPRE until it moves to its permanent site on development of its main campus at Ugbomro,Uvwie Local Government Area. The Petroleum Training Institute (PTI) Effurun, Delta state serves as the temporary campus of the University.

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1 Administrative structure

2 Faculties

2.1 Departments and courses

3 External links

Administrative structure[edit]

The administrative structure of the university consists of:

Chancellor

Principal Officers of the University

Members of the Governing Council

Faculties[edit]

The institution has a Collegiate system which will be developed in three phases over a period of six years

The College of Science is the Foundation College;

The College of Technology in the second phase of development.

The College of Management Sciences has been earmarked for the third phase of development.

The College of Science and College of Technology has started running courses for its academic session while the College of Management Sciences will commence at a later date.

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The main focus is petroleum engineering and technology related courses such as:

Chemistry

Environmental science

Industrial Chemistry

Geophysics

Geology

Marine Engineering

Mathematical Science

Mechanical Engineering

Physics

Computer Science

Electrical/Electronics

Petroleum Engineering

Chemical Engineering

The school moved to it permanent site in 2010. The first V.C of the school is Prof BABATUNDE ALABI

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National Universities Commission of Nigeria

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SEE HOW A UNIVERSITY BEG TO USE FACILITIES OF A SCHOOL THAT AWARD HND. I LEARNT THAT THE PTI HAS SENT THEM PACKING FOR INCOVENIENCIES. THEY NOW TRAVEL TO AN UNCOMPLETED CAMPUS OF DELSU FOR PRACTICALS WHICH IS DONE ONCE IN A SEMESTER. THESE STUDENTS WILL GRADUATE AT THE END OF THE DAY AND CLAIM TO BE BETTER THAN PTI HND GRADUATES. NIGERIA IS A JOKE

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I just cant stop laughing at those who said that entry criteria is what makes the university better than the polytechnics. The irony is that there are so many people with 7distiction and one credit at WAEC level in the polytechnics. Others. Said the quality of lecturers are different but most of the lecturers in the polytechnics were trained in the universities. Are they saying that those lecturers were not given quality education by the university to be able to train poly students? The truth is that we are a backward nation that is why we openly celebrate boko haram and militants. Can any one here tell me the difference between engineering and technology? If the difference is mathematics then the HND and B Tech are the same because the new HND curriculum in engineering treat all aspect of mathematics and focus more on its application. It is just like discriminating between some one who read pure mathematics and another who read applied mathematics. Technology is simply applied engineering , that is just the difference. Not that one is inferior to another. I know a lot of BSC holders are ignorant about this fact. Rather than go into research to understand the difference, they exhibit their ignorance in a public forum . Most lecturers in the polytechnics with university degrees are people who have worked in industries who are exposed to practical knowledge . You cannot graduate from the university and just become a lecturer in the polytechnic. How will you cope. You must be able to demonstrate what you are teaching practically.

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I am tired of shouting over this disparity. I have HND upper credit in Electrical Engrg from Federal Poly. Nekede. Absorbing negligence from someone I am better than is one luxury I cannot afford. With my ND, I am working in one of much-hunted multinational companies in Nigeria while completing my B.Eng in the University (possibly First Class). People instead of belittling HND grauates should instead be jealous of them.They have ample job opportunities and can also go for Degrees easily unlike their Uni.counterparts. If Nigeria fail to recognise me,at least I can recognise myself.

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Entry requirement at ND level now is five credit.

HND require ND, + At least a year experience+ five credits

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Let us take government to court

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i wonder why they still discriminate even after they said government themselves have settled it. Even government ministries and parastatals discriminate against HND holders during employment. They give HND holders level 07 while Degree holders ae given level 08. it hurts.

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What Oranto has said is indeed well said.

We are here bothering our heads with which is more supreme between the HND and the B.Sc whereas in the international scene, Nigerian qualifications are not Seen.

To make it worse, even local companies in Nigeria rate international qualifications higher than local certificates when it comes to recruitments.

Reason, I agree with Oranto's stand that local qualifications should be discarded and more global qualifications should be sought after to provide one with a global outlook.

We are in a global village now, so whatever your qualification, you will and should be competing on a global level.

The good thing again is that there are now online versions of various international qualifications from B.SC to Phd's. You can also align with certifications.

They are a smart and good way to quick global knowledge acquisition.

You can do an Online Masters in Project Management for about 2-3yrs or attend a project management training locally in Nigeria and take the international certification at a prometric centre here.

Either way, you are still in Nigeria but with an international qualification.

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guy i have argued this with you before, but i have come to realise that the HND stuff is useless. infact the ND certificate has more value than it. HND in Nigeria is just a waste of resources. Let them cancell and abolish it please so that more nigerians will not fall victims.

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@Zebra, Much respect

@Brusher, more power to your elbows. Zebra has said it all.

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Guy, lets not decieve ourselves, Bsc holders are enjoying themselves everywhere. They give them priority in almost every industries, ministries and schools. If you are about to go for HND please i beg you in God's name to drop that idea, preferably, take JAMB again and start from 100 levels in the university; it will save you the discrimination HND holders pass through in future.

Thank you.

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how successful a man is does not depend on the certificates he possesses i am an hnd holder and by Gods grace am a multi millionaire working in a multinational firm as an executive.certificates do aid your rise in life but what makes you stand out is what you can do with what you have gathered from school .I went to yaba college of technology, please check your records hnd graduates from these schools have really shown their prowess even other schools but the most important thing is not to relent,bsc or hnd i feel are documents which should not be discriminated against, but if you are told ur inferior then prove to your self that you are not.polytechnics were built to bring out the technological minds in the world ,use this to achieve greatness instead of sulking on which certificate is better .you are who you make yourself at least most people who are multi billionaires today are drop outs or didnt even go to school.

In a nutshell upgrade yourself technically and professionally .hnd or bsc is just a stepping stone.

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The guy probably was not a good polytechnic graduate with HND.

They also teach all those things you mentioned in the polytechnics. In my own experience and case most of my friends with HND in Engineering write technical reports excellently.

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@Zebra, they are implied but those feats occur not because they conceive those ideas but because they implement them. THATS THEIR DUTY.

My uncle owns an electrical engineering company and nearly went bankrupt cos he decided to give a HND graduate the benefit of the doubt. THe guy's practical skill was not in question, but theoretically he had issues. He could not bill contracts appropriately, could not write a technical report well enough (not even to save his life). I mean all those small things you are taught in a university aside your main course. He had none.

Moral: Their practical skills are not in question. Its that extra theoretical depth that they lack. Thats what companies need. Besides most companies are headed by graduates and the tendency is to consider anyone without a degree as not up to standard. Graduates face the same problem when companies are headed by first class graduates who want only first class or second class upper.

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See your self? No reference to the Technologists and Technicians? Can any engineering team be complete without Technologists and Technicians??

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I work in a company where Nigerian engineers pull off great feats every few months. Engineers in my company routinely fabricate massive installations and produce them entirely within Nigeria. So don't try to negate what I see on a daily basis. Nigeria is simply a mentally poor country, thats why we are the way we are not because Engineers fail.

In the last six months since I joined, I have met more innovative mechanical, chemical, electrical and structural engineers than ever. This country is f**cking talented (forgive the obscenity but you just have to see what some of these guys do on a daily basis). My instructors even bemoan the fact that my company went out to steal all the first class brains from the university. I see what these guys do on a daily basis and yet you tell me you can match up to that with your HND(oops That was too direct. sorry but it had to be said).

We fail because we allow sentiment to rule instead of reason. We fail because we are content not to develop ourselves further but to bemoan our fate instead. We fail because our youth would rather bemoan their fate instead of taking life with both hands.

Face reality and dont spend the next 10 years bemoaning your fate. Some of my bosses started as HND but by secretly going to night school or part-time or study leave, they have gotten degrees and even gotten as far as PHds. The money they make is more than some of the graduates that started work at the same time they left the polytechnic.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Go back to school (whether openly or quietly) and assure your future.

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We are talking about Nigeria pls. In Nigeria, Engineers have not lived up to expectation; they have failed the nation. The Technologists are trying their best to live up to expectation if you care to know.

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Its not about quantity but about quality.

Its about action guided by proper advanced thought as against mechanical practical repetition. Its about the difference between artists and artisans. The difference between being simply mechanics and being inventive and innovative engineers.

Anywhere in the world, you TECHNOLOGISTS man the machines, we ENGINEERS tell YOU WHAT TO DO

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Me too. Na suffer for this thing.

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i still put it to you that the volume of work you do to get a Bsc is less than that of the HND in nigeria.

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Yes I used some of my HND notes in Statistics and Operations Research to teach MBA students who were always running and begging me to teach them Quantitative Analysis and Decsion Analysis. I used those notes for them because their syllabus had some of those things i had already done in the polytechnic. And for sure it really helped them. I also used those same HND notes while i was doing my Bsc in one of Nigeria's prestigious 1st generation universities, and it really helped me. Take it or leave it, the HND curriculum is richer than the Bsc curriculum; i can confidently tell you this because i have experienced both. You and others who don't know have made the society believe that universities teach more or learn more than polytechnics at the undergraduate level, which is not true.

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I firmly believe it would be a big mistake for Nigeria to agree to this.

Its like cutting the giraffe's neck because you can't reach the tree leaves with your teeth.

so what. who says the knowledge in both cases has to be mutually exclusive. If you only taught them that without going outside your note. then you have cheated them and are responsible for all these people claiming B.Sc is not better . Why. because by recycling those notes, you are bringing them down to that same level.

My bias would be a result of schooling in a private uni where the curriculum is not as outdated as in the public unis. it is hard for me to believe such since the other D.E students from polytechnics actually did not know any better than I did. In fact, my cambridge A Level Computing was far superior in breadth compared to what they had in spite of the fact that they could get jobs with their OND and i couldn't with my A Level.

Correctly taught and administered, A B.Sc anywhere in the world (And we are supposed to be aiming for world standard) is far superior to a HND. its like comparing harvard with a community college (which gives an equivalent of HND called associate degree). they just dont match.

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i also used my ND/HND notes to teach people doing MBA program.

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It was my HND note I used for my masters programm and I obtained 4.57/5.

We only have a date with the head of service on the issue

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please help me tell those of them that just believe that the Bsc course is better than the HND when they have never experienced it before. i happen to do the same course (statistics) in poly and later in the university; poly curriculum is richer than university curriculum. i'm talking from experience.

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Sincerely, I have not seen the reason for discrimination between HND and Bsc. My experience as a Bsc and HND holder has revealed that Bsc is overrated, and that knowledge in our society is based on paper qualification and not on what one has upstairs.

I went for a Bsc in the same course I have an HND in, not because I was discriminated against but to acquire more knowledge and be at the peak of my career. Maybe, it’s due to the fact that my course is in the social science, but I must confess that the HND curriculum is far richer.

I have also been part of several interviews where HND holders performed extremely better than their Bsc counterparts, for same job positions.

For all you HND holders out there, don’t look down on yourself. Improve yourself if you can. And aim higher. It is well.

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@HND-holder

They always claim that the university curriculum for Bsc program is superior when compared with that of polytechnic; but none of them have been able to tell us why and how it is superior. The fact remains that the nigerian HND was established with the sole aim of producing graduates with technological skills, and the qualification obtained (HND) is not the same as the theoretical Bsc/BA Degree but equivalent to it.

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we are waiting for the polytechnics to start the Master for the HND/B.Tech

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@HND-holder

Thanx, i've seen it. i pray they implement it fully. What about going for further studies? can HND holders go straight for Msc or MTech?

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you can now check your mail box. the memo saying HND is free is there.

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please re send the mail I will surely gave the details to you. Regards

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@HND-holder

How far with the white paper? i thought you said you will send it. I have sent a mail to your box, you can forward it with me.

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We thank God , the government white paper implementation of parity between HND and Bsc is in progress. One Jamb now for Polytechnic and University we are expecting the head of service to write implementation circular come this year OCT.

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HND is not necessarily a death warrant

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We were together at Ibadan. I know his family any thing for him?

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This problem still dey?

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have they ever kept to any promise concerning polytechnic before?

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I think the government wanted it so if not why do they fail to keep their own promise

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@HND-holder

It's very annoying.

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Group Petitions Presidency over Customs Recruitment

From Onwuka Nzeshi in Abuja, 09.24.2008 this day

A civil society group, Equal Rights Agenda (ERA), has petitioned President Umaru Musa Yar'Adua over moves by the Nigeria Customs Service (NCS) to create disparity between universities and polytechnics graduates in its on-going recruitment.The group claimed that the NCS has tacitly placed holders of the Higher National Diploma (HND) at the Inspectorate level.

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if there is any difference then it should be in the course work of the HND. The HND has a technical bias in all or most courses unlike the Bsc.

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HND holders are still facing intense discriminaton in the public and private sectors.

What really is the difference between HND and BSc?

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Coheads Support Phasing Out of HND

Daily Trust (Abuja)

NEWS

4 July 2008

Posted to the web 4 July 2008

By Abdulraheem Aodu

Kaduna

The Council of Heads of Polytechnics and Colleges of Technology has thrown its weight behind Federal Government's recent decision to phase out Higher National Diploma (HND) programmes in institutions throughout the country within two years.

The council said in a communiqué issued at the end of its 111th regular meeting and the National Board for Technical Education/Poly Expo held in Kaduna and signed by the COHEADS Chairman, Dr. Mohammed Kazaure that the implementation of government's decision would advance the growth and development of technology in the tertiary institutions.

The COHEADS stressed that it was confident that the Federal Government's decision to phase out HND programmes in polytechnics across the country would also go a long way in putting a stop to the discrimination the holders of the certificate had suffered in the hands of the employers of labour.

"The COHEADS welcome the recent pronouncement by the Minister of Education, Dr. Igwe-Aja Nwachukwu on the phasing out of HND programmes within a period of two years. Council is confident that this undertaking will advance the growth and development of technology," it said.

But while commending the efforts of some state governments in encouraging the development of science and technology, the COHEADS observed with dismay the lukewarm attitude accorded polytechnic education by the others. It therefore enjoined state governments to strive to encourage the development of vocational and technical education as a leeway to economic growth, wealth creation and self-employment.

"The polytechnic sector has consistently embarked on research and development which has translated in the innovations and development of various equipment and teaching aids as exhibited at the NBTE/Poly Expo. The government is prayed to provide appropriate funding to encourage the mass production/commercialization of such innovations and inventions.

"That state governments are encouraged to effect the payment of the CONTISS salary package to the polytechnic lecturers to forestall brain drain to other sectors of the economy and also to encourage the growth of science and technology. The issue of payment of CONTISS 15 to all chief lecturers and principal staff should be gazetted to improve staff morale.

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It was level 08 some establishment play the HND down with 07 since it was not in the former documents it was as if they were helping us by giving us lower job to do.

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Please what is the entry level for HND holders in the federal civil service? is it level 08 or 07?? please let us know.

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hnd must reduce its work load or die in nigeria no retreat no surrender

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