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Are Nigerian Webmasters Really Lazy?

I was going thru some naija sites and i realized that a lot of our websites are ugly and lack originality. 75% of the sites i visited were templated (ugly templates).

You as a webmaster, are u doing great or are you just spreading the ugly trend?

Have u ever taken time to do a website from scratch?

Have u taken time to learn your basic html and css?

Have you tried to learn how spry (or some other widgets) work?

have you ever tried creating your own content management system?

Have u ever embedded your original efficient chat application or other applications to blend with your site?

If we are doctors or lawyers, I wont have a problem; but for God's sake, we call ourselves "WEB MASTERS."

We have to live it up.

Cheers.

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that a great one, must Nigerian web designers are familiar with ready made templates some go as far as using template from dreamweaver, we are not actually helping our sef it's just a pity my hosting subscription just got expired www.bolajimedia.com i designed that using Adobe studio from scratch with my own concept, logo and brand color,

well check dis out for my pastor www.solomonikokide.50g.com using html from the scratch also,

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Nigerians like it the hard way u know.

Just learn ur basics and explore whatever options you have.

Hope u guys have seen my own site

Flash site,

www.sbitz.com

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Dont you think we are focussing on the wrong thing? While the website designs have to be great, they have to be functional too.

You see some websites that look great but by the time you start browsing through the site, you discover that they are not functional at all

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Nice try though, before you know it you will be developing large applications and branding for corporate institutions. I remembered back then in Lagos, the first time I saw a friend's sub domain, it was "faithweb" from freeservers/50megs. I was so so interested that I spent hours - days learning how to be a developer. What a memory you brought back.

Kudos

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@lager

Sometimes the best remain underneath if they don't map their strategies correctly.

As for the dreamweaver issue, the software is not meant for the beginners, else, you will end up with series of bug. For instance you are in an interview and you have been asked to program/code using Notepad (windows plain text editor), you will run into problems for sure. I have encountered this in the past.

How many of us here can program a complete website using Notepad? thats the question we should be asking!

My view is, learn the basic/structure/features of HTML/CSS before full-speeding with DW

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guys, leave matter for another era. let us just keep doing the best we can and as long as we follow standards and offer value, the best will always rise to the top (eventually)

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You that is saying we should use our own designs instead using others, have taken time to see the pictures u used in the website you posted for us to see? Are they local contents or foreign? before you start criticizing others do to urself first.

http://www.celeugonabo.com/

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I'm not saying anything is bad with using Dreamweaver o. What I really hate to see is someone using Dreamweaver solely in Design view, someone who doesnt even know the Split and Code views exist (there are people like that).

As per using the plain Notepad, I cant. Its too backward.

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Afam, u r correct jare

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Did you actually design the egetwhy.com website yourself or you installed a copy of a web project?

I am confident that some Nigerian websites are even better than some you see in any part of the world. However, we should know when to claim ownership of anything and when to give credit to owners of web projects.

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This post is the result of a real survey of a thousand naija based websites across different sectors.

For those that said that the post is being too general, i said that 75% only are below expectation. This means that 25% are very okay.

Let us not get personal, if u are in doubt just google out some twenty nigerian websites ( this has to be random ) and you will find out that u will appreciate only 5 websites out of the 20.

Maybe ur site(s) will be among the 20.

For kokotee, i think u are bettter as an advertiser.

Let us all continue to make the difference

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Why is this getting to u dual-core

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Guys, at the end of the day feel free to use whateva works for u. Its all about enjoying what u do and making ur client happy at the same time.

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we are developing. in the next 5 year we would have step up than we ar today

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This thread is really disappointing.!

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At least i know that Nairaland is different atleast. If IM can be introduced into the forum, it would be the bomb

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@Poster,

Have it in mind that Nigerian webmasters are really trying with web development, the few site you pass through might not be enough to judge the millions of websites that have been created by them.

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Poster: I think it is at best disingenuous for you to generalise in the way you did. There are Nigerian websites out there that are right up there with the rest of the best in the world.

I know because I have built several myself.

Go check out http://www.egetwhy.com

You should NOT make such blanket statements, dude,

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Good soup na moni kill am.

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javalove, javalovee, javaloveeee pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee im not competing with you and your 'staff' in anything. If you want to compete, go and compete with guys that wrote the php library, java platform and probably the .NET framework or any other platform u (or maybe your 'staff'or 'pals') are using. Those are the guys u should be competing with my dear, not me that is just learning to use those libraries.

Please, kindly accept me as ur 'apprentice' so that one of your junior staff can tutor me; i dont mind learning.

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I was doing something on GTBank website once and while checking out why the contact form was not working I realized that the site was based on what used to be Mambo (now Joomla). Of course the developer did a lot of work removing any links or pointers to the free open source software but for me the moment I saw a few things I knew the platform because I had used Mambo to setup websites long before it metamorphosed to joomla.

@topic,

As more and more companies and individuals have less money to spend the issue of demand and supply for business websites will be sorted out as more people would want to justify the cost of maintaining their websites.

Web developers should stop doing free demos as it is not only unprofessional but results in a typical client getting free ideas from multiple developers and settling for any even when any costs incurred are never recovered.

On the correctness or otherwise of different approaches as regards web development I see that as subjective but in the final analysis clients will shut down websites that are useless to them while the need to get functional and task focused websites will continue to increase.

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My dear yawa-ti-de, i started up with notepad and there is no way i can forget how to code with notebook,all im saying is that these tools help ease your work. Check out a situation where u have to develop a 10 page or more website with database functionality,would u hand code that? take for instance this software Iron Speed Designer, when u visit their site, u will see a lot of testimonies by developers saying how Iron Speed help them save cost and time.

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sixbon:

as "smart" as you might think you are, it doesn't end there.  What happens if you get to work and the very tools you are used to don't exist?  What happens if, and this has happened to me, you have a "tool" but it is down and you have a deadline to meet?  Could you, like I had to do, and painstakingly so, know to use notepad?

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Well tho not neccessarily lazy,most are not original.a prime example - i dont want to offend the owner of this site but- this site nairaland is simply a copy of simple machine forums.nothing special except that it is aimed at nigerians.same way that some are aimed at bmw drivers, writers and other demographics. a number of forums exist for nigerians, this one simply seems like the one with a slice of the pie.

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Who would be so dumb as to mention that he/she uses tools in an interview, u only say that when asked questions like what web development tools r u familiar with

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in my locale, even having the idea of using a "tool" during an interview is enough for the interviewer to stand up and say, "thanks for coming. we'll be in touch".

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That is what makes u a good programmer,use the tools for speed then hand code to meet specifics

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Your "tools" cant do everything and your sole dependence on them make you their slave.

You may never understand until a client comes with a requirement specification that's way outta your "tools'" scope. Then you'll start google'ing lines of codes(codes for your very own job) to see what they do.

Its not all about meeting your deadline. Good software engineers work with a scope as specified in the Requirement Specification document and they will never trade well laid out standards for time.

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Just totally out of place and not necessary. You could just end up getting yourself into cardiac arrest with this attitude.

This is strictly IMHO though, feel free to disregard.

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I don't think so. Things are beginning to change in Nigeria. It is not like you think. Businesses now know the meaning and significance of web technology.

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HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What the hell are u feeling like man. . .Aw many nigerian webmasters have u met and aw many of their jobs have u seen?

Man you dont come in here and brag with the "little" knowlwdge that you have. . .there are webmasters who do world class websites in this country and I know LOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All the questions you asked there would have YES all through if I present them to my staff. . .sp please, be easy and lay low. . .

WHAT U SHOULD HAVE DONE

while i understand the motive behind this thread (which i know is a good one), you should have done something like a tutorial thread where u address the "problems" you saw in those websites u visited. . .A few HelloWorld of html and css would be nice too. . .then and only then you will get "meaningful attention" from people. . .not attacking. . .!

And man, there is nothing wrong in purchasing templates or have som1 design it for me at a cost. I'm a programmer and I careless about designs. I just want to fix in my scriptlets in between pages I'm done. A template saves a programmer lots of stress.

oNe

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ajanle:

I beg to differ. There is demand. The problem, at least as i see it, is that clients have been blinded at the onset by the bad apples. So now, a precedent has been set and clients expect nothing less.

What we need is a re-orientation of sorts. We need not to be code monkeys and order takers but professionals. In other words, if something doesn't make sense, we should stand up and say so, even if it means losing the business.

Believe me, they may not appreciate it then but they will, later

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That is bad.  I am of the opinion that a good leader is first and foremost a good follower.  Being promoted is no excuse to stop writing code.  In fact, that is probably when you should write more code so as to stay current.  What happens if you lose your job tomorrow and the only ones available are coding jobs?  What you don't use you lose.

Again, if that is their attitude, that's bad.  Oga mentality, na im go kill us.

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Just like software development, and technology in general, demand drives standards. There's not that much demand in Nigeria; people just want some sort of web presence. Not that any serious business is done on the web.

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Some naija guys are trying, i saw one little gallery on www.shalomacademy.net/gallery.html.

Its not as if the gallery will compete with the encarta counterpart, but it shows that some of us are busy.

Thumbs up!

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@yawa.

I have met some, but they are not going to write one line of code (since they have become big ogas) they will only tell you what they have in mind and why it works. How you go about getting it to work is in the hands of the omo-ishes

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nigeria is bless with good webmaster, but most of the self accliam webmaster doen not really take time to learn the basic of webdesigning

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Yes to all the questions but the last one.

Why would someone that created an original efficient chat application have any problems with making it blend with the website or is the poster referring to an open source chat application that is customizable?

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I still believe that there are some good naija guys out there.

Let us keep the flag flying.

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I can bet u that 70% of the 75%, was done for as low as 20k(hosting inclusive).

Cheap labour

Clients low taste.

I bet you that anyone dat can say yes to at least three of d above will not fall within those that design does HANDBILL, they called WEBSITE.

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Yawa im not the person that sent the site for review and im not competing wit anybody.

Come to think of it, why are u guys getting personal?

Is anybody hurt?

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Good point but who will pay you or who ask you that.

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Please guys the aim of this discussion is not to harrass each other verbally. It is for us to redefine our target and work harder.

For the guy that sent the website; ill assume u are just creating some sort of awareness, else ,

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I assume thats your best? You are not qualified to speak against any body making websites.

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@ Paroh-frey

You asked for it.

see my latest job= http://www.celeugonabo.com

but just like U said Rome wasn't built in a day

I have gotten to this stage and won't hesitate assisting someone

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@poster

Lets do a comparison- what you have done side by side these so called ugly websites. Rome wasnt built in a day.

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yawa u are right sha, but it is still our industry and it needs to grow

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